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OpenXTalkPaul wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 1:27 am
LC CE v8.x runs quite well on macOS 10.6.8 on my old core 2 duo box, and v8 had extension builder widgets too, so I added in some goodies like that Color SVG Widget. That's what fuels my dreaming of 'OXT Retro Edition'
I have more enthusiasm to produce a 'retro' version of OXT Lite than keep chasing the ever-upgrading path of MacOS (which seems increasingly slow, clunky and restrictive).
I was looking into LCC 8.1.10 just to see how broken it is. I can see the paint tools have the weird behaviour, and that's kind of expected. The hiding / showing sections of the tools palette seem to at least work though (so implies that bug was introduced in LCC 9.x somewhere).
I may well go back and retrofit my changes into an OXT Lite Retro build, which will be available for MacOS and Linux.
At first glance though, it's not going to be an easy task - as the engine seemingly even chokes on creating a group via script
When was 8.2 DPs released?
IIRC that was right around when they decided to move to concentrating on working on 9.0 branch? And I think they released 8.1.10 AFTER releasing these 8.2DP so I wonder if they just renamed the 8.2 branch to 8.1.10 and released it under that version number? I remember there was some confusion over that sort of thing where they were making releases from TWO branches at the same time, like 8.x AND 9.x releases (something it seems they continue to do with 9.x & 10.x).
If you really have the time (OK, OK; I'm the saddo that did, this morning) go back and trawl through the Wayback machine's archives of LiveCode's download page you'll find that 9.0 was released relatively early on, and the 8.1.x series came after the DP versions of 9.0: and 8.2.0 DID come after 8.1.10: there being 2 DP versions, an then the whole '8' dried up.
The '8' series were the last ones to function on any version of MacOS before 10.9.
richmond62 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2024 2:02 pm
8.2.0 DID come after 8.1.10: there being 2 DP versions, an then the whole '8' dried up.
The '8' series were the last ones to function on any version of MacOS before 10.9.
Interesting, so 8.2dp2 is the one to go for with my 'retro' version.
Reading the release notes in that PDF:
20349 Fix crash when deleting the focused object
If I'm reading that right, so you have an object on the card - you delete it. The IDE crashes? That's quite a major bug - so definitely worth concentrating on 8.2DP2 if I can find it...
Sending you a PM with a link now... Many thanks.
(I did not give you the snip btw)
I've got the WIndows version of 8.2.0 dp2 downloaded now, thank you.
Ironically - that's the only version that's not really needed as Windows xpSP3 will run LCC 9.6.3, so don't need to support further back than that.
What I would love to do is support 10.6, so looking forward to being able to download the 8.2.0 dp2 Mac version of that.
Why do I want the linux version? - because it'll speed up the development of the 'retro' edition, as I don't intend to create all of this on the older MacOS 10.6 'box', as it's a slow computer. But it'll be fine for testing, just induces hair-pulling after extended use.
If you're going for it on an 8.2 based build, may I suggest including the COLOR SVG XML displaying Widget which preceded adding color SVG rendering to the 'classic' image control. I think I got that Widget from the 8.x Branch at some point. I prefer being able to view/edit the SVG XML that's being rendered, rather than being 'compiled SVG' (which I'm not even sure what that is exactly, but I'd wager it's some format that Cairo drawing lib uses) obfuscated inside 'the text' or 'the imageData' of the image control.
OpenXTalkPaul wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2024 3:10 pm
If you're going for it on an 8.2 based build, may I suggest including the COLOR SVG XML displaying Widget which preceded adding color SVG rendering to the 'classic' image control.
Yes, but you'll have to give me an "idiot's guide" on how to do this. If you can attach the files(s) I need to change on this post, and tell me which folder they need to go in, then I'll gladly add it.
Hmmm... So I wonder if that means there should be autocomplete in 8.2 dp2?
I'll check that out now.
Just been configuring my old 10.6.8 mac. I think I know why 8.2 dp2 was pulled.
The permissions in the DMG were wrong on the .app, so unless you copied it as sudo, then chmod, then chown the .app recursively, it wouldn't copy off.
But anyway, long story short - it's working here now... so the fun begins. (It's honestly quite refreshing working in MacOS without certificate and signing issues!)
