OXT Lite Moving Forward

[tperry2x]

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Fixed. Added the word 'Information' to line 9 of the button.

[richmond62]

And, what doth the word 'information' effect, forbye?

[OpenXTalkPaul]

And, what doth the word 'information' effect, forbye?

It effects which icon is used in the 'Answer' dialog box, should yield an exclamation symbol icon.

[tperry2x]

I would have liked to replace the "LC" icon completely, but I've been having a root around in the revIcons stack (you'd think this is where it might be logically?)

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edit: found it in revGeneralIcons

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The next question is replacing the graphic while keeping the same ID.

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(The simpler answer was just to specify "information" and it will display the alternate icon: hopefully the big blue (i) logo on MacOS as shown in that screenshot), but ideally this graphic needs replacing to an OXT one, while retaining the same ID.

[OpenXTalkPaul]

I would have liked to replace the "LC" icon completely, but I've been having a root around in the revIcons stack (you'd think this is where it might be logically?)
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edit: found it in revGeneralIcons
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The next question is replacing the graphic while keeping the same ID.
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(The simpler answer was just to specify "information" and it will display the alternate icon: hopefully the big blue (i) logo on MacOS as shown in that screenshot), but ideally this graphic needs replacing to an OXT one, while retaining the same ID.

That is where the IDE icons normally come from. In OXT DPE I replaced them (actually I renumbered them, since they're specified in the IDE (Ask/Answer stacks) by numeric image ID).

[tperry2x]

I'll look at replacing the icon(s), then editing the Ask and Answer dialogs too so they can hopefully be aware of them.
Edit: done

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[richmond62]

Of course, our friends, have made it so one cannot do a simple 'import image' into that stack.

I have been mucking around with property insopectors and so forth and cannot work out have to either import or paste into the stack.
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[tperry2x]

You can, it would seem you just have to toplevel it first with the App Browser.
All fixed:

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So, if the command

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Answer "hi"

...is run, or

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Ask "hi"

...and the user forgets to specify an icontype, then the OXT one is now substituted.

While I was there, I also updated the dialogs for Linux, so they don't use the MacOS 9 icons anymore

[richmond62]

Glad you did it as topLevel 'over here' didn't work.

Cannot help thinking a more generic icon might be better:
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[richmond62]

Wow: talking about ancient history:
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[tperry2x]

Cannot help thinking a more generic icon might be better

I think I'll keep it the same as whatever the program's icon is, so as not to confuse people.
It would be better to save that icon for the non-lite version of OXT.

Either way, it gets replaced by the standalone builder, so it's only an icon you'd see inside the IDE.
It makes sense to keep it as a 'lite' version in OXT Lite, and a non-lite version in full-size OXT RCx versions.

[richmond62]

I think that it would be marvellous if end-users could set their own symbols:
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This is the icon from my Devawriter Pro app.

[tperry2x]

Think I've just found something else...
I've fixed the grid spacing earlier this week, so it now remembers and retains the setting in the preferences properly.
However, just spotted that it doesn't remember if it's turned on or off between launches.

Example, I can turn it on, and verify grid spacing is working:

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But, quit the IDE and relaunch, and:

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It's forgotten you turned it on. I assume the expected behaviour is that the IDE should remember if you'd turned on "Grid" from this menu between launches?

[tperry2x]

I think that it would be marvellous if end-users could set their own symbols:

This wouldn't be too hard I imagine. You'd just need a 64 x 64px image. Although, this would not necessarily come through to the standalone as it'd overwrite it with the gRevAppicon

[richmond62]

Obviously there needs to be some sort of stack saved somewhere that records the end-user's preferences.

[richmond62]

Although, this would not necessarily come through to the standalone as it'd overwrite it with the gRevAppicon

That is why a few years ago I had to write a lot of 'ask' and 'aswer' palettes myself: in an ideal world that would be an unnecessary time waster.

[tperry2x]

Yes, exactly. But this is why the end user should specify the icon in their standalone settings, and it'll use that in the standalone.
If in a stack (IDE), you could have a specific name of a graphic that the Ask and Answer dialogs look for. If it exists in the stack, then use that as the icon - otherwise, use the gRevAppIcon from the standalone / IDE.

Then there's no additional coding required, just the presence of a png called "UseThisAsAlertIcon" or something similar.

[richmond62]

the end user should specify the icon in their standalone settings, and it'll use that in the standalone.

Indeed.

But let's just suppose the end user wants a different symbol to be used in their "asks and answers" to the icon they have chosen for their app.

[tperry2x]

Sorry, I probably wasn't very clear. Please see above. I meant

just the presence of a png called "UseThisAsAlertIcon" or something similar.

Then, if that's in the stack, the Ask and Answer dialogs will be coded to use it. If not, they'll use the default IDE one.
Does that sound like an idea?

In other news, I may just disappear for a few days, as just tested positive for covid and feeling pretty rough.

[OpenXTalkPaul]

Glad you did it as topLevel 'over here' didn't work.

Cannot help thinking a more generic icon might be better:
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I never really spent very much time working on an Icon, basically I just created a vectorized version of HCs Icon, mostly so I could get on with the de-branding work. I think it might be good to have something more graphically simplistic, symbolic, 1-bit / line-art friendly, like the Nike 'swish' or Apples (current) logo. I did do a little work on few designs in that direction.