Comments on 0.96

[tperry2x]

Please place any comments on OpenXTalk Lite 0.96 here. Many thanks and happy testing!
Download and release notes:
https://www.openxtalk.org/forum/viewtop ... 4646#p4646

[richmond62]

OK, OK: been in a bad case of "busy elsewhere" for about a week: but currently downloading 0.96 with what I see is an impressively long changes list.

Wow: opened on MacOS 12 Monterey: no fiddles, no diddles, lovely.

[richmond62]

Adjusted the grab handle in the revMenubar to look more like a grab handle.

I am not entirely convinced by that:
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AND, just to be a real thorn in the flesh: grab bars look different on different platforms.

AND, I don't think I have EVER seen a vertical grab handle/bar on a Mac app.

But, I would expect it to look a bit like this on MacOS:
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I would also expect BOTH ends of the Menu bar to be rounded.

[richmond62]

Added a visual preview of the grab handle in preferences > appearance

Ideally both the grab handle/bar and its preview should look different on different platforms:
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[tperry2x]

Well, funny you should say that:
https://www.openxtalk.org/forum/viewtop ... 4694#p4694
Back here, I did muse about adding it in this way (like the horizontal grab bar used by InDesign), - this is a system control, (part of MacOS 10.6 standard resources), but I take your point that it might not 'meld' with other OS's necessarily.

That's not too much of a problem though. It could easily be made to adapt to a different image depending on OS.

Reference:

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[tperry2x]

I would also expect BOTH ends of the Menu bar to be rounded.

I wonder, is this rounding of Windows a Sonoma thing?
I'm still on 10.15 Catalina (and my MacBook Air refuses to go any higher) - yes, I did force Sonoma onto it, but it really didn't like it, so I went back to Catalina. Aside from not being at all impressed with the way Mac iOS is going, I assume the rounded windows are something enforced by the OS.
It's not something I'm seeing here, so I absolutely forgot about the rounded effect. If that's the case, I'd expect the window to be rounded at both ends too - that should be an OS-defined setting?

Just out of curiosity, when you make a new stack, do your window corners have a huge radius too?

[richmond62]

I wonder, is this rounding of Windows a Sonoma thing?

I don't know: windows are all rounded hereabouts: MacOS 12, Monterey.

Just out of curiosity, when you make a new stack, do your window corners have a huge radius too?

I think 'huge' is over-doing things a bit.
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"Over there" the Menu bar has square ends:
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But, as soon as it 'acquires' a grab bar, it becomes rounded:
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So, I do feel, even if your grab handles will be at the ends of the Menu bar, rather than at the top, rounded ends might be . . .

[richmond62]

Fixed a bug where the truncated toolbar did not stay truncated if the user toggled 'toolbar icons' / 'toolbar text'

OK:
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No "funny" resizing there.

[richmond62]

Replaced the LC icon in the Answer and Ask dialogs. Now shows the OXT icon in the dialog if an ask / answer command is run.

OK:
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Hard to fault.

[richmond62]

Added feature (credit to Richmond). You can now have custom alert icons in the Ask and Answer dialogs. You just need to have an image called 'appicon.png" in card 1 of your stack.

OK:
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That is wonderful.

[richmond62]

Added an option in Preferences > Extras to close unnecessary stacks, after the IDE starts

OK:
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Restarted OXT Lite, could not see anything that might resemble layout guides.

[richmond62]

Modified the inspector so that the chances of getting many, many inspectors is greatly lessened.

OK:


Slightly odd behaviour: opened up my Devawriter stack and clicked on Card Inspector in the menu bar, and then a right-click on a button: for a split second I saw 2 props palettes, then the button one "took over" the card one: slightly disconcerting.

[richmond62]

You can now toggle the revMenubar drag handle on or off without restarting the IDE

That works (although it does not really excite me).

[richmond62]

Renamed the toolbar button "Code" to "Script" (it's called Script / Scripting everywhere else).

Not entirely sure if I understand the point of this, as xTALK [err: the people "over there"] keeps mixing up 'coding' and 'scripting'.
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[richmond62]

The dictionary now looks slightly worse than it did, but I'll revamp this in future. It's just to create a version that's a stack rather than a web object/widget (whatever).

Don't run yourself down: it does look different, and, a bit like what Parmenides said, it does look like its in a state of becoming:
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[tperry2x]

as soon as it 'acquires' a grab bar, it becomes rounded

Interesting.
The rounded corners are definitely much larger on Big Sur and upwards

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[richmond62]

Implemented the additional shortcuts in Object menu (card inspector = ctrl J, card script = ctrl shift C, Stack script = ctrl shift S) - Credit to TerryL for this suggestion

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Lovely, but I'm like Oliver Twist - wanting more: can we have a short cut for #1 Object Inspector?

[tperry2x]

Restarted OXT Lite, could not see anything that might resemble layout guides.

Layout guides are when you are repositioning buttons near fields etc, it'll draw guides on screen to help with the layout:

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[richmond62]

Layout guides are

Aha: Thanks: tomorrow as have to have a bath.

[tperry2x]

Slightly odd behaviour: opened up my Devawriter stack and clicked on Card Inspector in the menu bar, and then a right-click on a button: for a split second I saw 2 props palettes, then the button one "took over" the card one: slightly disconcerting.

Yes, this would previously have left 2 inspectors hanging around. It now realises this, but takes a moment to work out what's going on. I do plan to refine this further so that it absolutely can't generate two inspectors or more.

It's partly because when inspectors are created, they first assume they are stack inspectors then switch over to the selection. So if you already have a selection, it then realises and hides the copy. It takes a while to realise though.