Blobless Mac Window bars

[richmond62]

It is possible in Windows and most Linux window managers to set an LC/OXT window bar so it is 'blobless':
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Last but one at the bottom!

BUT, apparently this:
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Is either NOT possible, or is NOT offered as a choice by the IDE.

I wonder which?

[tperry2x]

It is possible in Windows and most Linux window managers to set an LC/OXT window bar so it is 'blobless':
Is either NOT possible, or is NOT offered as a choice by the IDE.
I wonder which?

I hate to say this, because I'm going to sound like a broken record, but your 'blobbyness' comes from Sonoma.
Apple are trying to iOS-ify the mac with overly rounded window borders to match their OS. Over on Windows 11, they are at it too. It's not just confined to the mac.

You could probably make a custom window as a rectangle to get around this.

[richmond62]

I hate to say this but those screenshots are from MacOS 12 Monterey . . .

[tperry2x]

I hate to say this but those screenshots are from MacOS 12 Monterey . . .

I should clarify, they started 'blobifying' the OS after catalina.
With Sonoma currently being the most noticeable. Some examples...

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[richmond62]

I think we are at cross-purposes as I meant making the grey shadows of the 3 circles for max, min and what-have-you disappear.

Please look at my mockup again.

[tperry2x]

You mean you have the grey background at the top of the window, upon which the close / minimise / maximise buttons sit?

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I just set this to "empty" if I wanted to remove it, just like on all other OS' window managers (example) - no close boxes - is that what you mean? Seems like MacOS is drawing the grey background shade on which the buttons would sit
anyway.

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If you try making a custom window shape as a square, does this get rid of it on the mac?

Another suggestion - I take it the 'splash' screen that comes up has no grey top?

They use the script:

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palette stack "revSplash"

So, perhaps you could try "palette stack 'your stack name' " and see if that gets rid of it?

[richmond62]

No: I want the grey area WITHOUT the 3 grey circles.

[tperry2x]

Ah, that may not be an option on MacOS?
I'll just go and have a check in various versions...

[tperry2x]

Well, I thought I'd start checking back as far as I could go...
In Mavericks, it is possible, but it's a 2 step process.
You have to set the window to "title":

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Then, to remove the buttons, you have to turn off the resizable checkmark:

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Can you check that this is the case for Monterey?

[richmond62]

Indeed, that works, and I feel like a "right prawn" for not having thought of that.
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Of course, it would be "nice" if:
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As that would make 'things' a tiny bit more consistent cross-platform (something that "the other people" are endlessly rabbiting on about, but signally failing to deliver).

[tperry2x]

Well, we've both learned that if you want to hide the window buttons in MacOS, then the window can't be resizeable?

[tperry2x]

It would be nice if all these were gone too:

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(and if we weren't using window graphics from Windows Vista).

Leave it with me...

(happy days, at least I can get to them!)

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[richmond62]

(happy days, at least I can get to them!)

And where would that be?

And wouldn't, say, XFCE be a lot better than Windows Vista.

(Aren't "that lot" a lazy lot?)

Aha: Contents/Tools/Toolset/palettes/inspector/editors/com.livecode.pi.decorations

what a faff around finding them.

[richmond62]

Bite my shiny metal . . .

Popped over to Dad's old 32-bit wonder running Debian 12.1 XFCE and ran this up:
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Thanks to the power of GIMP . . .

Although, quite frankly, the squares in the top left leave a lot to be desired:
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But that is what XFCE will deliver at the moment.

Doesn't solve my "Macintosh problem" either.

[tperry2x]

If you run the update, you should get this:

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I think you have the second from last title selector incorrect. On the windows image, the second one up from the bottom, it should not show the icon, but the third one up should (if that makes sense) as per my version.

(works in light and dark mode properly)

After updating, if all goes to plan, you should be at build:

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[tperry2x]

Doesn't solve my "Macintosh problem" either.

You mean you'd like to keep the stack resizable, while keeping the window buttons on the mac hidden?

So, if you set the stack to as you'd done earlier,

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making sure the 'resizable' checkbox is off, could you then add a "Mac Style Stack Resizer" from the "Object Library".
Would that work?

If you also wanted to hide the name of the window, you could just set it's title to " " [space]

[richmond62]

I think you have the second from last title selector incorrect.

That's entirely possible: done in record time when befuddled by Christmas wine.

APART from that I wonder if there is not a way to do away with those icons altogether?

Funny, as they don't 'happen' on MacOS.

[richmond62]

After updating, if all goes to plan, you should be at build:

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Well, those windows tops stayed at the Vista ones, and, as they say, "it all went dark":
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[richmond62]

The Odd thing is that, over on my 32-bit Debian thing standalones and windows generated both by LC 963 and OXTL 0.92 do NOT feature an icon in the "icon place" on the standalone windows . . . so there must be away to get rid of that POINTLESS thing:
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[tperry2x]

The Odd thing is that, over on my 32-bit Debian thing standalones and windows generated both by LC 963 and OXTL 0.92 do NOT feature an icon in the "icon place" on the standalone windows . . . so there must be away to get rid of that POINTLESS thing:
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If that icon is shown or not probably depends on your window manager & theme on Linux. Ubuntu doesn't have it if you use the default theme, but if you use others (adawata, or something like that....), then the icon may appear. It's under window manager tweaks, and see if 'icon' is mentioned in the title bar setting (window button arrangement).

Sorry that's vague, only I'm typing this on a phone and can't check currently.