Comments on 0.98

[tperry2x]

I was just confused (easily done), as for a moment it sounded like the IDE was unexpectedly quitting and I wondered what I could possibly have done to cause that

[overclockedmind]

Thank you - the more the merrier as far as MacOS is concerned, as Richmond has had some errors earlier above. I can't reproduce his errors though.

They DID just release a point upgrade for Monterey, and Safari, both covering some rather big CVEs. I'm on it, it'd be interesting to know if Richmond is on it too, or not. Just a shot in the dark before I go for the attempt.

Edit: my God, did the board butcher what I tried to do there.

[tperry2x]

No problem. Fixed it for you.
I wonder if Apple have changed something. Richmond seems to have found that uninstalling older versions and reinstalling (or dragging a new one off the dmg and uncompressing) has solved it - don't want to speak too soon, but I tested on like 4 macs and couldn't get the errors with the menus he was getting (but I'm not on anything past Catalina 10.15, so perhaps that's why)?

[overclockedmind]

Gotcha. With the MBA I have, I have definitely considered downgrading a bit (Early 2015, 8GB/512G SSD.) It shipped with Monterey on it, though, and I've gotten used to sorta waiting on it (I've seen worse,) so that's the story on being where I am.

[overclockedmind]

I can open OpenXTalk 0.98 [this.] I did something stupid in the beginning; OS X doesn't think it's in the Keychain when I can plainly see it in the proper places, and System. I am guessing it will eventually stop "Verifying OpenXTalk.lite" once that happens and I walk through the steps, my way.

I didn't even really expect that since I canned xxxxx or wtf ever it is entirely (supposedly it's not running.) Anyway, that is the state of things, I can run the program.

Am I looking for this menu bar issue?

Edit: Whoops, all I did was kill Spotlight indexing, not SIF. Not doing THAT.

[overclockedmind]

Just for clarity's sake, I left my post as an ACMT tech in 2011.

a) I learned OS X like nobody's business, and
b) holy CRAP has macOS (see I can't even do that right now) Since, Mountain Lion, I think? Soooo different.

In regard to the homebrew scene (you guys would probably know,) which macOSen are the biggest for it? I do not mean piracy; I refer to OSS.

[overclockedmind]

Am I looking for this menu bar issue?

Y'know what, I AM! And I cannot replicate anything of the sort. I thought to offer my aid, but with all these changes in all these macOS releases, I might not be the guy for the job! My apologies. I made certain I was messing with the menu bar in basically every way, even changing appearance mid-way. I gave it just about a total chance to act up. It just sat there like the Mac menu bar, no issue.

[richmond62]

Got home late, very late . . .

I am the Big Shot.
You heard me right the first time, name of bachelor, Johnny Cool.
Occupation: big shot. Occupation at the moment: just having fun.
What a party that was, the drinks were loaded and so were the dolls.
I narrowed my eyes and poured a stiff Manhattan, then I saw... Hotsy.
What a dame, a big bountiful babe, in the region of 48-23-38. One hell of a region.
She had the hottest lips since Hiroshima, I had to stand back for fear of being burned.
"Whisky-wow-wow", I breathed; she was dressed as Biffo the Bear.
In that kind of outfit, she could get rolled at night...
And I don't mean on a craps table.

"It's kind of revealing, isn't it?"
"Revealing? It's positively risqué, I like it."
She said, "You're the man of a thousand G's, right?"
"A thousand what?", I quipped,
"Why, G-man, girls, guns, guts... You're my type"
"Wrong, baby!", I slapped her hard, "I'm an L-man. Strictly liquor, love and laughs"
She stared over my shoulder. "Play it cool, Johnny."
"Play it what?", I flipped. "Listen, I fought my way up from tough East-Side New York. Lead-filled socks and sub-machine guns. Like this!"

She said, "Johnny this is a deadly game, have a few laughs and go home."
I shuddered. Normally I pack a rod in pyjamas; I carry nothing but scars from Normandy Beach.
I said, "Wrong, baby, you can't fool me."
She spat playfully. "I'm ahead of you, Johnny."
I studied the swell of her enormous boobs and said,
"Baby, you're so far ahead it's beautiful!"
"You, you are, you're eccentric, I like that."
"Electric, Cherie, bug off my rocket, tu comprends?" We spoke French fluently.

Our lips met again and again, "Yeah yeah yeah," I slobbered.
Hotsy said, "You're slobbering all over the seat, kid."
I went home, late. Very late.
What could I say to my wife? "Darling, I've been beaten up again"?
Let's face it, she's credulous as hell.
A punk stopped me on the street. He said, "You got a light, mac?"
I said, "No, but I've got a dark brown overcoat."

https://youtu.be/KlXXUmssNGI

Now back at school in front of MacOS 14, so not much to add.

This morning, the 0.98 I installed yesterday, seems to work perfectly.

[richmond62]

So, here I am, at home, and currently decompressing the 0.98 for Mac zip file (which, like everything else, takes a deal longer on MacOS 12 than MacOS 14); and about to see if it will "behave" itself, or play "silly buggers" as per MacOS 14 because of the presence of other OXT Lite installs.
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Still labelled as 0.0.9.5.

Launches correctly.

Seems to function OK, even with the presence of "0.96 - autoupdated - 0.97".

[tperry2x]

Yes, I dare not change the version string in the plist for fear of it not opening on someone else's Mac.
I'm just glad it opens on the Mac. Anything else is a bonus.

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[richmond62]

Well: MacOS is fragile in one way, and Linux distros all seem fragile in a variety of ways, and my opinion of Windows is generally more negative.

So: the best thing is to chuck out all the computers, read books and oil up Mum's old typewriter & (the difficult bit) find a new ribbon for the thing.

Oh, wait a minute: both of my BBC Micros from the 1980s are still going strong: nothing fragile about MOS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_MOS

Obviously, the answer is to start porting OXT for MOS!
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[tperry2x]

Oh, wait a minute: both of my BBC Micros from the 1980s are still going strong: nothing fragile about MOS.
Obviously, the answer is to start porting OXT for MOS!

At least code signing would be gone, but it'd probably look like this

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[richmond62]

Don't knock it: in 1989, when I got my first BBC Master Compact (logically enough from a load of Syrian Druze exiles working for the Bin Harmal construction company in Al Ain, UAE, where I was teaching FORTRAN as a second job), I was bowled over by bitmaps like that.

In fact I started designing a Devanagari-Sanskrit font for the BBC Micro . . . so, nothing much new in terms of doing bonkers things.
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You could replace those tomatoes with OXT icons.

Joking apart, I suppose it would be possible to make a text-only version of xTalk for the Beeb.

[tperry2x]

If you squint, you might just be able to make out an IDE in there somewhere

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Talking of supporting other OS that isn't mainstream, - In the documentation, LC say that this should run on UNIX. So, what unix system did they have in mind I wonder?

[richmond62]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DragonFly_BSD is pretty good; and MetaCard was originally developed for UNIX.

https://www.freebsd.org/

[richmond62]

Actually the BBC Master Compact did have a GUI loadable off a floppy disc:
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http://www.mybbcmaster.nl/other_amx_mouse.html

[tperry2x]

joking apart, I suppose it would be possible to make a text-only version of xTalk for the Beeb.

That's pretty much what openxion is, and I was only thinking the other day how hard it would be to reimagine it for a variety of systems. But even in text only mode, don't think these systems are up to the task: memory, storage and many many missing statements that there's no replacement / equivalent of.

[richmond62]

It is entirely possible that 'someone' was pulling your leg In light of your comments about MacOS.

[tperry2x]

It is entirely possible that 'someone' was pulling your leg In light of your comments about MacOS.

I actually thought it was very valid. I'd love to see openxtalk [script only] for other platforms, refined down to just what's needed, and supporting other OS's rather than just the normal 'big three'. At this stage, I'm more interested in legacy macOs than anything past Big-Surly (but you know that already).

[TerryL]

@ tperry2x. You've been very responsive to preference requests. Would you consider a preference to restore the revMenubar window decorations (program title, minimize, maximize [disabled], x/exit)? You might tie it to the drag handle preference: uncheck drag handle to restore title/decorations. The jpg is an example on Win10.