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Re: DreamCard
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:03 am
by overclockedmind
FourthWorld wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:51 pm
OpenXTalkPaul wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 1:30 pm
It doesn't mandate policing of people's opinions about the morality of using sites that share 'AbandonWare', I won't do that.
2. Negotiation: there was some recent lengthy conversation here about submitting a request for components to the copyright owner of the OXT engine, where exemplifying the sort of compliance being asked for would normally be useful. You've since clarified that won't be needed, so that part is no longer a consideration.
Do you mean not needed, as in 'nah not doing that' or that OXT has made forward progress where it was stuck? If we made progress, please point me to the relevant post(s) as I missed this entirely.
Re: DreamCard
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 3:19 pm
by richmond62
Here's a jolly screenshot of all the engines that were available for the LAST version of MetaCard:
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https://www.canelasoftware.com/metacard.html
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Here's another jolly thing:
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http://web.archive.org/web/200310111001 ... tions/2.0/
http://web.archive.org/web/200312020305 ... ardpr.html
"Information on pricing, versions, and local distributors, as well as a free
trial edition of Revolution for all supported platforms: Windows, OS X,
classic Mac OS, Linux and
Unix, is available at <
http://www.runrev.com>."
emphasis is mine.
The links surrounded by a red box are duds (although they may not have been in the past):
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http://web.archive.org/web/200306051256 ... loads.html
Re: DreamCard
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 4:28 pm
by tperry2x
Thank you Richmond.
Anyone wanting to automate the download of this:
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lftp -c 'mirror --parallel=100 http://www.canelasoftware.com/mc/metacard25'
Assuming you have first installed lftp.
And, for the Richmond's Revolution 2 link above:
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lftp -c 'mirror --parallel=100 http://web.archive.org/web/20031212124334/http://www.runrev.com/revolution/downloads/distributions/'
Re: DreamCard
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 4:30 pm
by richmond62
The law of diminishing returns I suppose:
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Mind you, makes you think . . .
https://web.archive.org/web/20020220175 ... m/pi3.html
Re: DreamCard
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 4:40 pm
by tperry2x
It's all gratefully received as it'll be something for me (and others, I'm sure) to learn and read up on.
Re: DreamCard
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 4:46 pm
by overclockedmind
All nice and neat to have, thanks for pointing this stuff out.
Does anyone have an answer to the question I posed at the top of this page, to FW/Paul?
Re: DreamCard
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 4:47 pm
by richmond62
Does anyone have an answer to the question I posed at the top of this page
Mainly redundant blether.
Re: DreamCard
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 4:52 pm
by richmond62
These links link to the files listed, so you can download them:
https://web.archive.org/web/20020206142 ... /mcmirror/
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Re: DreamCard
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 5:17 pm
by tperry2x
richmond62 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 4:47 pm
Does anyone have an answer to the question I posed at the top of this page
Mainly redundant blether.
Sorry, page reflow may be different here. (I won't go into why as it's boring), I was struggling to see a question at the top of a specific page.
Do you mean:
" Of course the question is where one might obtain those folders and the engines they contain."
That is a very valid question. Probably vanished forevermore in the sands of time if nobody has backed them up.
Re: DreamCard
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 12:38 am
by OpenXTalkPaul
overclockedmind wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:03 am
FourthWorld wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:51 pm
OpenXTalkPaul wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 1:30 pm
It doesn't mandate policing of people's opinions about the morality of using sites that share 'AbandonWare', I won't do that.
2. Negotiation: there was some recent lengthy conversation here about submitting a request for components to the copyright owner of the OXT engine, where exemplifying the sort of compliance being asked for would normally be useful. You've since clarified that won't be needed, so that part is no longer a consideration.
Do you mean not needed, as in 'nah not doing that' or that OXT has made forward progress where it was stuck? If we made progress, please point me to the relevant post(s) as I missed this entirely.
We shall see if something happens on the 'stuck' prebuilts / script issue front. I just meant that I intend to keep pushing forward on Open-Source xTalk one way or another until I'm returned to the soil... because 'why not'? What else am I going to do, become a senior citizen rockstar?
And also meant that I didn't expect any help on dealing with the missing 'pre-built binaries' and i probably wasn't gong to ask for any.
Re: DreamCard
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 12:58 am
by OpenXTalkPaul
Ah SGI Irix!!! Back in the 90s I worked at a shop that had a bunch of those SGI Indigos and Octane machines, along with a bunch of Macs. I still occasionally contemplate buying one of those sleek looking machines just for the cool case, I would sell the mother board and then replace its guts with a modern motherboard. Those SGI rigs still go for hundreds of dollars on eBay last time I check.
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Re: DreamCard
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:32 am
by overclockedmind
OpenXTalkPaul wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 12:58 am
Ah SGI Irix!!! Back in the 90s I worked at a shop that had a bunch of those SGI Indigos and Octane machines, along with a bunch of Macs. I still occasionally contemplate buying one of those sleek looking machines just for the cool case, I would sell the mother board and then replace its guts with a modern motherboard. Those SGI rigs still go for hundreds of dollars on eBay last time I check.
product-107026.jpg
I had a crack at one of these at a local university's "recycling" place, in the 90s. (It used to be "walk in and browse," I would skip lunches to spend time there. The esoteric stuff was always running. Now it's all... corporatized and eww, y'know?) It was about the same price as today, but I nearly pulled the trigger on it and figured the cost out later, if you know what I mean.
Ditto with a NeXTCube. Not joking.
I ended up with one of those Gateway Presentation CRTs that was like huge; nobody wanted it because it "didn't have TV ports on it." Meanwhile, I WANTED IT because of that.
Re: DreamCard
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 8:20 pm
by OpenXTalkPaul
overclockedmind wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:32 am
Ditto with a NeXTCube. Not joking.
Awe yeah, a NeXTCube with modern guts, running helloSystem BSD + the GNUStep stuff, that would be rad!
In reality there's no way I'd hack-saw one those rigs specially not at current collector prices (in the thousands), maybe if I found a banged up one at a thrift store or something.
I'd probably try to restore it though. That NeXT cube was pretty freakin powerful hardware way ahead of it's time, 16 SIMM Slots could go up to a GIG of Ram (which was huge amount back then), it wasn't until the late 90s that I got a hold of a machine that I could upgrade to full gig of ram (PowerMac 9600 had 12 DIMM slots).
Re: DreamCard
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2024 12:52 am
by overclockedmind
OpenXTalkPaul wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 8:20 pm
overclockedmind wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:32 am
Ditto with a NeXTCube. Not joking.
Awe yeah, a NeXTCube with modern guts, running helloSystem BSD + the GNUStep stuff, that would be rad!
In reality there's no way I'd hack-saw one those rigs specially not at current collector prices (in the thousands), maybe if I found a banged up one at a thrift store or something.
I'd probably try to restore it though. That NeXT cube was pretty freakin powerful hardware way ahead of it's time, 16 SIMM Slots could go up to a GIG of Ram (which was huge amount back then), it wasn't until the late 90s that I got a hold of a machine that I could upgrade to full gig of ram (PowerMac 9600 had 12 DIMM slots).
Now you've got me wondering, will a Power Mac 8600 take a 9600 mobo, and how big a pain is it? I have an 8600/200 (non-MP) that I have used with three different children as their first computer, then had returned to me... it didn't matter what they did to the thing, it just wouldn't flipping die!